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Poll: Should Joe Paterno's Statue Be Removed?

Critics of the Penn State child rape scandal are calling for JoePa's statue to be taken down. What do you think?

 

Last week's scathing report presented by former FBI Director Louis Freeh shed light on what some call the gruesome side of Pennsylvania State University and its officials.

Reaction has been swift, steady and strong. For example, a halo that once crowned Joe Paterno's head on a campus mural was removed last weekend.

Once a hero, the nearly sainted head football coach has almost literally been knocked off his pedestal.

What do you think? Should the famous statue of Joe Paterno at Penn State be removed? Take our poll and give us your opinion in the comments below.

  • Should the famous statue of Joe Paterno at Penn State be removed?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes
        78 (67%)
    • No
        38 (32%)
    Total votes: 116
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Joe Paterno Statue, Penn State, and joepa

MJP

9:25 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

Agreed, all remnants of the failings of PSU "leadership" need to be removed. I love PSU, but JP chose to lie and cover up this scandal, so yes, take the statue down.

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Karen Griffin

9:26 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

Please don't discount all of the wonderful things he did over his tenure at Penn State, because he did what was required, and did not jeopardize his position by going above university policy. Also, the "opinion" just released was based on emails, etc- he was never contacted for his answers! Sad he died without being able to protect his name!

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Anthony Wayne

11:07 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

Any leader who would not "jeopardize their position" to to the right thing, can not lead. The greed and shame that all those who protected a known child molester bring to themselves and their family trump any accomplishment. Should the statue be removed? I say yes. In my opinion the Penn State leadership has a long way to go to demonstrate remorse for this horrible chain of events. Taking down the statue would be a small step in the right direction of the healing process. Further, numerous attempts at defacement will occur until it's gone, despite the 24/7 guard, illustrating the "touchstone" it has become. The fact that it is still there reflecs poorly. The day of the report, Nike had no hesitation in removing Joe's name from buildings on their campus. Villanova did the same at the pavilion after DuPont.

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Aleen McElroy

1:39 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

He conspired with other officials to cover up CHILD RAPE...........

Jane

9:44 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

If Joe Paterno were so saintly, he would have gone above and beyond "what was required," especially since the consequences of his inaction had such devastating results. I think having the Paterno statue remain at Penn State signifies that the University condones this behavior. If Penn State chooses to let Paterno's statue remain, then the University should also erect a statue to Jerry Sandusky. The molester protector and the molester. How low can Penn State go?

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A. Friend

1:55 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Wooo. . . give the dude a break. He didn't know what was going on to a certainty, and he obviously didn't want to believe his friend could do something like that. What would YOU have done in that situation? No one's perfect, but that doesn't mean we should start toppling over statues.

Jack Cunningham

10:44 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

In the article below I linked below Joe Paterno says the following:

"It's unbelievable to think that kind of corruption came right from the top of the power structure. The NCAA did what it had to do" in canceling SMU's 1988 football season."

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-05-17/sports/sp-774_1_joe-paterno/2

I have seen that statue and it says humanatrian, educator, and something else I can't recall. The ideals he preached were excellent. Clearly he didn't follow his own advice. Sadly a poor decision followed by more poor decisions to cover up the crimes being comitted, leave the University no choice but to remove the statue.

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Lynn P.

10:46 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

I voted NO -- but wish there had been a "not at this time" response. I think we need time for all information to be gathered and to gain perspective. It doesn't look good for Paterno right now ... but as things shake out our opinions of him may moderate. He gave a lot of years, he did a lot of good. His judgement on this appears to have been very bad and caused harm to innocents. We are questioning the his commitment to the values he espoused. No one is a saint ... just mortal humans ... I would say let's give it a little time before we make our final judgements of Joe Paterno and ourge everything JoePa -- And I was never a fan of his.

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Eric Sternfels

11:55 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

I agree that we should let the dust settle for a while before racing to judgment. But perhaps, in the meanwhile, we should add a blindfold to JoePa's bronze likeness. Or better yet, let's add a scarlet asterisk, suspended above the current installation as a reminder of both his glory days and depth of his shortcomings.

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Aleen McElroy

1:41 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

All info is "gathered" He conspired to cover up CHILD RAPE!

Mike McIntyre

10:54 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

I can't believe anyone would vote to leave the statue up.

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Aleen McElroy

1:43 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

It seems those who think the statue should remain............just don't get it. He covered up.... CHILD RAPE.

Roxborough Area Man

11:10 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

The statue should stay as an example of great men's failures. I don't want to denigrate Joe Paterno's accomplishments on the football field - but those wins clearly did not translate into true greatness in life. No amount of charitable work, no championship trophies, no glowing testimonials will negate his failure of leadership and courage.

Leave the statue - it's part of the story, and removing it serves only to sweep this under the rug as fast as possible. Consider it a scar on the legacy of Joe Paterno and Penn State. In time we can once again appreciate all the many good things Paterno did in his life - but that appreciation will be forever tainted by his failure when it counted the most.

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Anthony Wayne

11:30 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

Not only should it be removed, it should already be gone.

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Aleen McElroy

1:44 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

YES....Take it down the same way they troops took down Sadam Hussein's statue.

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Magic666

1:57 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Aleen, you're an idiot! JoePa wasn't a dictator!!

jk

12:00 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

It was announced today that the'll be removing the statue - good! Just bc he was a nice old man, doesn't protect him from his obsession for power at PSU, and ultimately, selfish decisions. He should have been let go long ago.

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Angelique

1:50 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

once again the news media jumped to a haste decision and gave the wrong information. Nothing has been decided

john gillespie

12:15 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Joepa's sin was one of ommission not commission. He reported the perpetrator. Should he have done more, probably, but penn state senior leaders AND the board bear even more blame. Joepa and his family have done many great things for many groups and individuals including thousands of Special Olympics athletes who participated in summer games at Penn State. Joepa will receive his judgement. His statue stands for the good he did, not the mistake(s) he made. Keep in mind the bible verse that only the sinless should throw the first stone.

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Pat Campbell

10:21 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

This is the sad script used by the Catholic Church. Penn State's senior leadership should be faulted for deferring to Joe's judgment. Asking for a statue that will be a perpetual reminder to be removed is not casting a stone. It's asking for mercy.

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John

11:32 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012

Are you a complete idiot?! Read the report HE COVERED UP, which allowed Sandusky to molest time and again!

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jeannine urban

11:16 am on Monday, July 23, 2012

I agree with Mr. Gillespie. Joe Pa reported what he "heard"...he never witnessed it!!! He's done so much good which everyone seems to have forgotten.

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John

8:49 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

Have any of you Idiots read the report, Joe covered up that is commission, not omission. He was saving the almighty football program at all costs!

Eileen Kernick

12:47 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

I think an important aspect in this whole situation is the likelihood that Mr. Sandusky created other men just like himself. We have heard about the men who are damaged but are able to fight back. What about his victims out there that are now damaged in such a way that they are perpetrators themselves. Odds are that Sandusky was harmed himself at some point in his life. His behavior doesn't generally arise in a vacuum. It is ususally the result of severe damage.
Which means that Joe Pa had a hand in risking boys lives in more ways than we are talking about. He intentionally covered up Sandusky's abhorant behavior which allowed him to go on and victimize boys whom could possibly grow up to become the very same type of "monster" that we call Sandusky. He was a grown man with tremendous responsibilty to step up in this situation and he did not.

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sayitasitis123

12:47 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

"Race to judgement?", "no one is a saint?", "bad" judgement? caused "harm"?
Everyone, please, lets stop and really think about this..…..just take a second in support of all child victims: nobody wants to-, and it takes courage…but do it for them…..
... imagine your son/daughter raped by an adult who has power over him/her. Take a second: think of the child hurting , the sounds and smell --they cannot stop the person. Do not know when it will end…..CANT tell anyone…(because they are threatened about what will happen if they do…)
….Imagine if you knew when it was happening, and that it was going to keep happening, and it was going to happen to your friend's children………

Then think of NOT stopping it ………saying something to ease your guilt, and then letting it continue>>>>>Seriously-the "in the moment damage" to your child, and the way sexual abuse damages the brain, personality, future choices, life path, spouse choices, sexuality….of that child……

Its not "just a bad choice"- Think about it.

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Eileen Kernick

12:29 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012

Well said. The idea that because Paterno should be exonerated from the damage he helped to inflict because he also did "so much good" in his life is, I suppose, the public's way of detaching from how horrific this was for each and every child.

Magic666

1:30 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

I am torn over this issue. I would like to see the emails (unedited!) before I make a rock solid decision. PSU was JoePa's life, and nothing can change that. The more I read about this case, the more It appears it's all aboutPaterno, not the others involved, and that's not right. Joe was low man on the totem pole. What about McQueary? Spanier? Corbett? They should all be mentioned in this. Remember, it takes a village.... let's talk about that village a little more before we condemn the words in those emails from Joe. Let's also see the emails from the others. Fair is fair.

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Aleen McElroy

1:45 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

What do you think you would see that the FBI hasn't already seen? He covered up CHILD RAPE.

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Aleen McElroy

1:57 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Like you, Joe Patrono....was also "torn"....and he chose the team, over going to the police. He "allowed " Sandusky to continue for years.

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Magic666

2:07 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

No! Things were different back then, The law only allowed the victims or the person who witnessed the attacks firsthand to come forward. Times have changed since then, so even if Paterno had gone to the police, it would have been considered heresay, and not admissible. Corbett, on the other hand, knew about this as Attorney General, and DID nothing! Why aren't we prosecuting him for what he knew?

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Magic666

2:27 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Also, Aleen, how did he "allow" Sandusky to continue? Was he there to witness all those attacks? Was he told of ALL those attacks? How do we know how many times it was reported to JoePa? For all we know, it may have been reported to Joe just once, and maybe Joe thought it was an isolated incident. Why didn't the victims themselves report it to the police? In fairness, You can't blame 1 man when so many others knew about it.

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Rob Castz

2:33 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Magic666, "Why didn't the victims themselves report it to the police?"

Are you actually faulting the CHILDREN VICTIMS?!
Remember: All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing..but Paterno didn't even do that, he allowed Sandusky access to his campus, his football program...this empowered Sandusky to do his evil.

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Magic666

2:50 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Rob, I am in NO WAY faulting the victims, but if you are a victim of a crime, including rape, robbery, or whatever, don't you call the police??? It was a simple question.

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Rob Castz

3:44 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Magic666, "Rob, I am in NO WAY faulting the victims, but if you are a victim of a crime, including rape, robbery, or whatever, don't you call the police??? It was a simple question."

THEY WERE CHILDREN!!!!!! How do you not understand that a child victimized by an authority figure is left terrorized and frightful of any authority figures even police. I really hope you are not a parent!

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Magic666

3:57 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

What about the parents of those children? What about the janitors, who supposedly knew about this? Why didn't McQueary call the police? Everyone wants to drop the ball on Paterno, but not ONE person is questioning McQueary on why he didn't do more. Or Corbett. Or Spanier. It was suggested that the victims and their families should have the final say in this, not us!

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Rob Castz

4:36 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Magic666,"What about the parents of those children? What about the janitors...Why didn't McQueary call the police?......"

The guilt of others in no way lessens Paterno's guilt!!! If there was a McQuaery statue it should be down too...I don't understand your logic in the least...that are MANY GUILTY parties here. They should all be held accountable, Paterno being the largest public figure will of course be discussed the most, but that doesn't lessen his fault in aiding evil or the fault of others.

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Magic666

5:35 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

This has nothing to do with Joe, per se, but more about his statue! If there was no statue, we probably would not be having these discussions today. Take it down. Keep it up. I really don't give a flying fig anymore! I just think because of a stupid statue, he's the one taking all the heat. Let the man RIP for God's sake!

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John

4:13 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012

Joe was never low man on the totem pole. Do not read emails, read the entire report.

Angelique

1:48 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Instead of making choices for the victims once again, why don't they ask THEM what they want to do regarding the Statue. No one cares about the victims, the ones that really mattered, not a Statue, a library, a football program, but THE VICTIMS. Isn't that what you are complaining JoePa, McQuerry, Spanier, Corbett, Sandusky of doing, not caring of the victims and only themselves. You are only doing the same thing.

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Magic666

2:09 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Thank you, Angelique! Let's ask the victims and their families. It's shouldn't matter what the public wants.

Magic666

1:51 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Aleen, to be fair, he did not rape those children..Sandusky did!! Paterno reported what he knew, and did not cover it up. People who were in a higher position to stop this did NOTHING, and that includes Corbett!! Why isn't he being fired from his job as Governor?! It's NOT fair to blame 1 person when 6 others were involved!

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Anthony Wayne

3:15 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Joe is the only one with the statue glorifying his accomplishments. No one is blaming just him, however, the report showed that the leadership team defered to Joe in developing a strategy moving forward. Did you not read the same report? Even the janitorial staff had knowledge of what went on in those showers. The civil suits will reveal more.

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Pat Campbell

10:08 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Magic666 - You really are struggling with this, and keep repeating that he reported what he knew. He LIED to the Grand Jury. Those people in a higher position asked him to retire and he said no. Joe was at the top of the mountain -- and protected the image before the kids. He did not report what he knew. He stopped the people above him from reporting what they knew. He shut down the official reporting. If you want a statue of a man with such a conflicted legacy to stand outside the stadium, how will PSU ever move on? Won't it be a constant reminder of the bad things, not the good? Before this happened, could you have named the Pres of Penn State? But the entire country bought into Paterno. He had the moral high road to defend, and he chose to defend the reputation and his own legacy rather than those kids. Take the statue down and move on. Or as the jokes go -- just turn the statue around and illustrate what he did -- look the other way.

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Eileen Kernick

12:41 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012

Pat Campbell explained it well. Magic666, I get the sense that you did not read the report of what happened. if you didn't, it might help you understand our passionate anger. if you did read it, well then, we simply disagree...strongly!

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John

4:15 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012

Where you actually born this stupid, or did it come from years of practice.

Rob Castz

2:22 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Paterno EMPOWERED a Child Rapist!...if he were still alive he'd belong in jail!

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Rob Castz

2:26 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Wow 29 votes to keep the statue, I am shocked and offended by my community. Disgusting! Absolutely Disgusting!

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Mike McIntyre

2:39 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

I share the same "shock" that anyone would even try to justify the keeping of the statue.

JEFFREY

3:51 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

All I can add is, if the facts show he had known what is alleged in his emails and or conversations back then, the statue should be removed. Just for not going directly to the police personally, no.

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OGC

4:02 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Sometimes we are guilty by association. We can continue to debate each other, but in the end, he made a mistake. Not just by himself, but along with others. That association collaborated to conceal a horrific crime. A crime again young children. Whether or not the statue should stay or go, I think that unfortunately, the statue needs to b e removed. As much as we love JP for the wonderful things he brought to the community and to the University, unfortunately, when we make mistakes, we need to take the ramifications from it.

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MerionManor

6:02 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

All you people make me sick, I for one will no longer contribute to penn state should the statue be removed. Frankly I wish there were a way to punish them for being so dumb as to remove it, by asking for all of my previous donations back. Alas, I vote no!

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Rob Castz

6:58 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

MerionManor...you would leave up a statue of an enabler of Child Rape?!

the very idea of that is truly sickening.......

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MerionManor

9:04 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Rob you are of a childish mind and have no idea what eye staue represents and obviously can not understand what symbolism means, I'm done wasting time even arguing this as to each his own.

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Rob Castz

9:07 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

It is the statue of an ENABLER OF CHILD RAPE...yes I KNOW what is signifies...E V I L !

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Pat Campbell

10:13 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

I wrote this above:
If you want a statue of a man with such a conflicted legacy to stand outside the stadium, how will PSU ever move on? Won't it be a constant reminder of the bad things, not the good? Before this happened, could you have named the Pres of Penn State? But the entire country bought into Paterno. He had the moral high road to defend, and he chose to defend the PSU "story" and his own legacy rather than those kids. Take the statue down and move on. Or as the jokes go -- just turn the statue around and illustrate what he did -- look the other way.
WHY would you not support PSU in an effort to move on? What is accomplished by having Joe with a #1 finger in the air in perpetuity? I think when you stop being hurt by the betrayal, you'll see there is no one to blame here that won't be called to account. But to memorialize such a conflicted legacy serves no one, least of all those who support Paterno. The statue will become a joke to generations who will deface it and mock it.

Deborah Williams

7:18 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

He has contributed greatly, however the cover up has erased his "halo". The statue should be removed or at least moved to a less prominent place.

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Rob Castz

7:23 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Deborah Williams, "The statue should be removed or at least moved to a less prominent place."
I'd only be in favor of a move to a "less prominent place" if that place was a jail cell, that would be the only fitting placed to let it remain.

sayitasitis123

8:09 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Why MUST you be right about defending this man, or any of the other people who looked the other way. NOW YOU ARE ALSO looking the other way. STOP!

Dont AVOID the issue. Children are being raped. Adults are suposed to protect children. That is their job.

We need to set our needs aside, and stop letting this happen.

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jimmyanslono

9:52 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Castz. Your anger is misplaced. Did something happen when you where a young lad?
Stop projecting on Joe.

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Pat Campbell

10:17 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

Perhaps you can stop speculating on where Mr. Castz anger comes from, and examine why you would suggest it is deeply rooted...and then ask him to not project on Joe. This is exactly why the Roman Catholic church has ignored more than a generation of despicable behavior. You seem to need to believe in Paterno....and disregard what we now know. And even though it's not all sworn testimony, we know for a fact that he told the grand jury he was unaware of anything in 1998...and that he very much knew about 1998. He negotiated a sweetheart retirement after he testified before the grand jury. With Spanier. Joe loved Penn State, but Joe looked out for his own interests. And if Mr. Castz is this angry, I think you should respect his passion.

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Rob Castz

10:28 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012

Jinnyanslono,
Fortunately nothing ever happened to me.....HOWEVER UNFORTUNATELY TERRIBLE things happened to Innocent children...and Joe not only looked away but empowered him by giving him access to his campus and football program...projecting???
HOW can you not have anger towards Joe and all those involved????!!!!!

Jay Beckerman

12:01 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012

It should be relocated, to some place inside the athletic department, but definitely out of the path of stadium patrons.

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Magic666

12:40 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012

Ahh, a fantastic solution that I can agree with. Instead of taking it down, relocate!! Thank you, Jay!!

Gregg Mitchell

1:57 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012

Wow!!! I still can't believe it has come to this. I have been a die hard Penn State fan since the 70's. Even during the "Joe Must Go" era, I still had Joe's back. But if the evidence they have against him is even remotely accurate, then Penn State has to reverse it's view, that Joe Paterno is Penn State and remove every facet of anything that honor's him. If the allegations are true this is a man that placed his rep, the school's rep, and maybe even friendship with a man that is so despicable that even Satan would not want to be in his presence, far above the safety of children. Such a man should not be honored by anything. Instead he should be gone and and forgotten. Loved you Joe, but you failed as a man.

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Ed

11:08 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012

are the students who support Joe-perv , a bunch of morons. Do you not have any sympathy for the kids affected by his turning his back to perversion. They should pick up the statue with a helicopter, fly it up high and release it. Hopefully it will break into a thousand pieces. I bet if it were your kid who was molested and raped you would not support this selfish lying sack of *&^*(

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Magic666

2:33 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012

Ed, what makes Joe a perv?? He was not the one who raped those boys. Do you even know the definition?? I doubt it.

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Rob Castz

10:25 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012

Magic666, "Ed, what makes Joe a perv??"
I think that keeping a pedophile in an office just down from yours is pretty perverted to me!!

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Rob Castz

1:45 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012

About time, it took them long enough...Sad watching them interview students and alumni up there as they did it.....they STILL don't get it...Yes Joe did some good, a lot of good....but the evil he was complicit with leaves the scales forever tipped to the bad.

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Magic666

2:31 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012

Rob, not everyone agrees, and we are entitled to our own opinions, just as you are. It doesn't mean you are right and we are wrong, or vice versa. Now it's time to impeach Corbett because as top guy in this State, especially when he was AG AND a Board member at PSU, he could have stopped this, and did nothing!

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Rob Castz

10:23 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012

Magic666, "...we are entitled to our own opinions, just as you are. It doesn't mean you are right and we are wrong, or vice versa....."
Yes you are entitled to your own opinion, but lets stop this nonsense of all opinions are equal.....here there are two sides...Good and Evil....or maybe more accurately...THE INNOCENT vs THE GUILTY...I favor the former in both, your entitled to take the other side, but be honest what side you are on.

BTW, 100% agree with Corbett...if he knew, he needs to go...out of the Governor's Mansion and into a cell.

Ed

4:22 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012

so magic666 guess you suport pedofiles. Guess with 666 in your name , it is not a surprise. he is a perv cause he knew it was happening and allowed it. he doid nothing to stop it when he could have. So if you support kids getting raped you are a sick mother fucker

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Magic666

5:33 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012

No, I do not support pedophiles, ED! I support Joe, and he wasn't a pedophile! And, not that it's any of your business, but the 666 represents a special day in my life.

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Rob Castz

10:19 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012

Agreed ED.....
Magic, support Joe?!...yes he wasn't a pedophile but He SUPPORTED and EMPOWERED a pedophile...
I originally wasn't necessarily in favor of harsh penalties for the football program, but seeing how the PennSt fans have blindly rallied around Joe and the program, I now am hoping they bury the program tomorrow....ban football INDEFINITELY...the PSU community needs to WAKE UP to what is really important!

Rabid hypocrite

11:43 am on Monday, July 23, 2012

I am encouraged to see how many people here are demanding accountability for Joe Paterno's moral failure, and I hope you will join me in ensuring that we as a nation stop celebrating the legacies of those whose craven moral failures similarly deserve our contempt rather than our admiration.

We should begin by tearing down the Washington Monument, which is nothing more than a phallic symbol of oppression!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/tear-down-the-washington-monument/

How can we celebrate the legacy of a man who enslaved others? No matter what else he accomplished, it can never undo or wash away the suffering he inflicted on the men, women and children whose very humanity he denied by holding them in bondage.

While we're at it, we should also destroy the Jefferson Memorial. Not only was he a slave-owner, we are certain that he raped at least one of the woman he enslaved.

These are just two examples of the countless monuments to monsters that are scattered throughout our land. Until we recognize these monsters for who they are and stop celebrating their accomplishments, we'll all have blood on our hands.

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I love fox news

3:12 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

Finally intelligent minds prevailed and the action was swift. Thank you. I am still dumbfounded by the amount of supporters that were adamant to keep that statute up. Reminds me of Confederate flag issue, some see this as a reminder of slavery and to others a reminder how the south was so grand and overlooking the obvious.

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Rabid hypocrite

5:06 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

I look forward to seeing your signature and those of all the like-minded people on this thread on my petition to tear down the Washington Monument.

Surely we can all agree that enslaving hundreds of men, women and children (not to mention physically and perhaps even sexually abusing some of them) is far worse than anything Joe Paterno is accused of doing.

I love fox news

5:39 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

Yea I think there was every bit of a few hundred of men, women & children caught up in that historic slavery thing and tearing down the Washington Monument might seem like equal justice for you but the subject right now is removing the JP statue and that's a good start to "leveling the field" of an enabler or someone who didn't have enough smarts to "do the right thing" at the time. Instead Joe choose to look in the direction of his self interest and the pot of gold. I think JP's wife just collected some tens of millions of dollars from JP retirement. Its kind of like hush money but there's no hush. Thank god someone eventually came forward.......Can you imagine living off JP retirement money knowing that its tainted by this?

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Rabid hypocrite

6:31 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

So you are happy to celebrate Washington despite his inhumane treatment of the hundreds of slaves we are certain he owned, and Jefferson despite the certainty that he imprisoned and raped his slaves, yet you condemn Joe Paterno because he only met his legal reporting requirements (alerting VP Schultz and AD Curley to what Mike McQueary witnessed) rather than doing more?

Which one of us is the rabid hypocrite?

I love fox news

6:44 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

"NO" to the first question, "YES" to the second question. The board of directors and the new president signed off on the Freeh report so after you convince them to change there mind then come back and change mine. Man your really stretching to come up with a comparison when you have to dig up George Washington. Child abuse is not accept even if your JP. Whew...Your not a priest are you?

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Rabid hypocrite

9:50 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012

Of course the board signed off on the Freeh report -- they payed for it. The purpose of the Freeh report was to bury the Sandusky scandal with Joe Paterno, and Freeh gave them what they paid for.

And the Washington analogy is no stretch, it's an observation. We choose to celebrate the contributions of some and largely ignore the evil we know they did. In this case, we're obliterating the good works of a man who we can't be certain was guilty and who can no longer defend himself.

Why? Because our 24 hour, sensationalistic media culture has exposed a monster in our midst, and our attention spans are too short to wait for our our ponderous legal system, with its antiquated notions of presumption of innocence and due process, to satisfy our appetites for justice (or vengeance).

John Paul II has already been beatified and will likely be canonized despite his utter failure to protect children from predators in the clergy, but Joe Paterno's is being destroyed because he offers PSU (and the NCAA) a sacrificial lamb big enough to satisfy the public's blood lust.

sayitasitis123

1:52 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012

Sadly, we cannot go back in history and correct all wrongs. But we can move forward and do so. Below I pasted another example of the same.
In this case the person who covered up the sexual abuse is going to prison.
Note how the "monsigneur" said: "I did not intend harm". Yet by not acting harm IS done. Turning a blind eye to crime, is a crime.
Bless the children who have had to suffer for society to finally begin to see this, and to act on it.

Associated Press writer JoAnn Loviglio in Philadelphia contributed to this report.
PHILADELPHIA - July 24, 2012 (WPVI) -- A Roman Catholic monsignor who became the first U.S. church official branded a felon for covering up sex abuse claims against priests was sentenced Tuesday to three to six years in prison by a judge who said he "enabled monsters in clerical garb ... to destroy the souls of children." "
The monsignor said Tuesday: "I did not intend any harm to come to (Avery's victim). My best was not good enough to stop that harm.""

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jack

3:10 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012

To have his statue there in the first place is a reflection of mindset of PennState: Football (or sports in general) is everything!!! For all those who defend Paterno, you said he is not a saint. So, then why does he deserve a Statue? I am not asking him to be a saint, he is not, he is only a football coach! That's it! No more, no less.

Meanwhile. let's talk about this culture of "sports is everything". This toxic culture has infested to every level including GV schools. Look at how many complaints we got when SD started cutting sports programs or asking parents to pay to play. Look at these parents who think their kids are top athletes and can get scholarships by playing sports. It doesn't bother them if their kids get a broken leg, arm or concussion.

Pathetic. PennState is the nature result of these pathetic culture.

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